Interview: Colt Bowden, Sign Painter, Illustrator & Letterpress Guy

Colt Bowden talks about getting into sign painting after studying as an Illustrator and has some tips for newcomers to the trade.

More info: http://coltbowden.com/ 

Transcription:

Coming to you from Starr Studios in Denison, Texas, this is Coffee with a Signpainter, a weekly podcast hosted by sign painter, Sean Starr, that consists of interviews with other sign painters and some of the customers and characters Sean comes across while running his studio. Okay. We are back with coffee with a sign painter. And today, I will be chatting with Colt Bowden, Colt Bowden. I don't know.

I'll find out from him how to pronounce that. I've heard it both ways. Colt is an interesting character. He's got, his fingers in a lot of different, pies. He's, I believe he started out, doing letterpress and illustrations and then got into sign painting.

He's been very, active advocate for the trade assigned painting. He's created these cool little, indie zines, with information from sign painters on everything from, brushstrokes to all sorts of cool stuff. So very interesting guy, very active guy, and, I've never really talked to him, except through social media and a few emails. So, it'd be interesting to get to know him a little better. And here we go.

Let's talk to Colt. So how are you? Doing good. How are you? Doing good.

I'd I realized today that, we've never spoken. I know. It's only been through email, correspondence, etcetera. Yeah. So you are now up in the Great Northwest?

Yes. Are you in Oregon? Are you in Washington? Were you just in Washington visiting people? Yeah.

I was just visiting father-in-law in Washington, and now we're back home in Oregon. Okay. We're between Portland and Salem. Patrick Shepherd: Okay. Patrick Shepherd: And and we're joined here with this little guy.

Patrick Shepherd: Hey, what's your name? Patrick Shepherd: Is this Fox? Patrick Shepherd: Hey Fox. He's like, who's that weirdo? Okay.

So, were were you, where did you go just now when you went up to Washington? My father-in-law owns a car dealership, and he just had a grand opening for it as a big Ford dealership, so Oh, okay. Up at Marysville Ford. Okay. I just, did an interview with John Lennig, and he's Okay.

He's at the Puyallup Fairgrounds for that good guy's car show. I didn't know if you were heading up to see him. I I did. I saw him in passing. We stopped and did a trade off of artwork he had had and some art shows that I had on hand.

So I handed that back to him and gave him a handshake. Really? Give him a handshake. I'm gonna move this story to the couch. Okay.

Sounds like you have a revolt on your hands. Is that he's not getting cereal and mom is? Okay. There we go. Okay.

Yeah. Saw John. He's a great guy. Yeah. He's one of my favorite people I've met in this trade.

Good enthusiasm, especially for how long he's been doing it. Yeah. It's almost shocking. Yep. Yeah.

So, it I I think it's kinda good that we've never spoken, you know, by phone or in person or anything because, I can just ask you what you're all about because, I mean, I kinda know little snippets from social media and from some of the shows you've put together and stuff, but, okay. So let of all, is it Bowden or Bowden? It's Bowden. Bowden, like bow okay. Yeah.

Okay. So I had that mixed up. And, so you why don't you tell me how you got into sign painting? Because from what I understood, like, when you were starting to become visible on the scene, you your background is, like, as an illustrator and letterpress guy. Is that right?

Yeah. I mean, I I was doing, I've always been an artist, like, painted and draw drawn things. Mhmm. And by default, people ask me to paint signs growing up. Like, in high school, I had to do it for a shop I was skating for and had to paint on the hood of a friend's truck and and so just kind of went on.

So for the last probably eighteen years, I've been doing on and off sign painting by default for people I've worked for or been around, been with and then I got a when I was in college I was studying illustration and my friend wanted me to paint his cafe and he had a terrible logo so I said okay I'm gonna redesign your logo and I ended up rebranding and just kinda helping him get the whole thing started and did all his signage and then when he opened the one I realized oh there's actually paints that are for sign painting. Oh, okay. And I I started looking around and about that time I was apprenticing for a letterpress guy that was teaching at the school that I was going to and he used old phone books to take off the ink off of his, his rollers and or off of his pallet I should say And I I looked through one and I found an old hand lettering sign painter in Price, Utah, which is about two hours south where I was going to school in middle of nowhere, just a little coal mining town. And I went, I called him up and the guy had been retired for two years it was his home phone number he just did it on weekends and I went down and talked to him and he showed me just the basics of you know brush stroke like one stroke gothic lettering okay and from there he sold me his ElectroPounds and I just kept on like learning more and more things and then soon after that I went and I met Ken Davis and Josh Luke out in San Francisco I went to one of their art shows for New Bohemia I think it was their one so from there it kind of snowballed to be a bigger thing and, I don't know I just kept getting more and more work by default and when I when I had done that cafe I wanted to look at some old old references so I searched the internet for some sign painting books and the book I found was EC Matthews sign painting course And so from there, it just kind of struck this like Then you got hooked?

Just love. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a similar path many people have taken.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's cool. So in your day to day workings now, is it predominantly sign painting, or is it a combo of that and illustration and design, or what are you doing? I'd say it's about 90% sign painting with the other 10% being filled in with letterpress work, illustration, graphic design, you know, small branding jobs for people or doing, like, a hand lettering job, not not necessarily a sign painting job, but something that they would put in a magazine or logo or this or that.

Okay. Cool. So, you you've put together some of the gallery shows for sign painters. The most recent one was the Marcus Gallery in Southern California. So I I interviewed Meredith Kasabian about Pre Vinylite Society and some of the background with that.

So what's your involvement with with that? When I went to San Francisco and I met Josh Luke and Ken Davis, they that was like the time I had heard of it and it was kind of the it's probably about the same time Josh had come up with the idea of the Pre Vinylite Society and so from there I just said hey I'm on board and he started his little blog and I was the one to comment and we you know he had done they had done the art show and they were both kind of in the process of parting ways with New Bohemia and doing their own thing and so from there we just started culminating ideas of art shows, events, I don't know, different things that we could do to to bring back bring back the trade in an artistic way Okay. You know, and and feature it and help get it noticed and get it out there. Okay. That's cool.

So I get teased a lot because, it seems like I move every couple of years. But I've noticed that you you're about as transient as I am. So, how does that affect your business when you move? It you know, it's funny because I I was in Salt Lake City going to school, and that's where I grew up. And we were there for three years while I was finishing school after we got married and so that's where I was I was starting to get my work base and then we moved to California because my wife was gonna finish up her schooling down there and I kept on getting calls to go back to Salt Lake City so I was doing the loop then we'd go and see family because that's where my family's from Yeah, my wife's family's all up there too Yeah, and so it's, you know, now being just moving from Los Angeles, I just have to refer people.

I'm not able to travel down as easy down there as I was from, like, LA to Salt Lake because it's a shorter drive. Yeah. Yeah. We still get calls, for Southern California and LA. Yeah.

But that, James Thomas has really picked up the slack for me with that because I can just hook him up with them and let him run with it. So Yep. Yeah. It's good. I mean, it's been good because I have family up here.

My wife's whole family is from up here in the Northwest, and my family's in Salt Lake. So it's just easy to go. I have an easel set up in Salt Lake at my my parents garage and so when I go there I'm all ready to work. I don't have to start from square one. Okay.

That's cool. So it'll I guess it'll kinda be the same. I've got friends down in Southern California. If I need to go do a job, I just have to invite them to work on it with me, I guess. Yeah.

That's the tax you pay. Yep. Yeah. It's, I don't know. I I think it it's such a different environment now because of, you know, the Internet and everything that I haven't found any big issues with relocating.

You know? Oh, yeah. We still have a handful of people that we've worked with for years and years now. They they kind of follow along wherever we go. And, and when you pop into somewhere new, then there's new things to do there.

And Oh, yeah. Yeah. So are you in a really small town? Population's about 30,000. So it's the biggest town between Portland and the coast.

Okay. But it's it's still pretty small town. Yeah. It's about the same size of the town we're in here. Yeah.

Yeah. It's nice. I like the change of pace. Yeah. So so what's on the horizon for you?

Are are you gonna try and set up a, like, formal studio there? Are you just, like, doing your thing and not worried about that? Or what are you doing? Well, we we are able to we're renting a a house with a two car garage that was already set up to be a studio. Okay.

It's got good lighting, you know, plenty of space in there. And then I've partnered up with my friend who who sign paints up here, and we're kind of partnering up with as, like, a team of sign painters. So he's up here, and he's already got a give him a plug what's his name? Yeah Mitch Horning Mitch Horning, okay yeah and he's a great great upstart of a sign painter does everything analog doesn't even have a computer okay so he's he's got a hand lettering foundation he the place he lives at is on this property and the lady there has taught calligraphy for probably forty years and so she helped him in his start with hand lettering and then when I met him a couple years ago he he got into sign painting and it just came natural because he was already doing hand drafted lettering for a lot of design things so we're kind of we're partnering up as a as a duo up here because it's easy and we both got Ford f one fifty trucks, nineteen sixty three trucks, so that's kinda fun. Push a gang of signed payments.

Yeah. We're a little gang out here. Oh, so okay. I saw the the lettering on the truck it was an older truck and it said like sign shop or sign painter or something that you had granted that was the stock M and C sign painting that's my truck oh okay awesome truck Yeah. It's a fun one.

I'm a I'm a truck fan, so trucks and motorcycles. I guess I'm still a kid in that way. Well, you're you're a guy. Yeah. Most guys are into those things.

So let's see. So I I guess this would lead to the next logical question, because you've just teamed up with him, which is, what what input or advice would you give to, you know, people coming into the trade now, since you've, you know, been doing this a while and have built a a presence for yourself? I would say, you know, stick to the basics as long as you can and learn the basics in and out. Yeah. Learn how to draw your letters.

Learn how to paint your letters. Learn how to do it without a computer, and, you know, and learn how to be friendly with other sign painters and your clients. I think being a friend to everyone is, it always pays forward, it never, You know, it's never a detriment. Yeah. That's definitely, good advice.

I think that, when ego is extracted from the mix, especially with sign painters and other artists, That's a huge step in improving what you do because people are then drawn to wanting to help you and deal with you. Mhmm. Yeah. So, so let's talk music. Okay.

My current playlist is definitely Marty Robbins, Gunfighter Ballads. Old school. Yeah. Marty Robbins, Eddie Arnold. I grew up listening to them because my my dad and my grandpa listened to them.

Okay. All grown up. And, you know, hence the name Colt. My dad was a a cowboy of sorts, and he was a rodeo guy. My grandpa lived on a farm and grew up on a farm.

So, my let's see. Guilty pleasures is probably Katy Perry. That's that's a good one. See, now that's good because that's the one that someone has admitted to that's kind of like, you know Yeah. That's a guilty pleasure.

It's good. Well, yeah. I mean, we we drive in our car and sometimes we just don't have music or CDs or an iPod to listen to, so we'll listen to, like, you know, top 10 Uh-huh. And know all the words. Yeah.

I like it. Other my other guilty pleasure is definitely, like, Weird Al. Weird Al Yankovic? Yeah. Okay.

I'm good with my wife right now. We're just thinking of our weird music taste sometimes. That's good. It's good to be eclectic. It's a good way to live life.

Yeah. My my all time favorite band is Belle and Sebastian. They're a European band that I've been on to for a long time. Yeah. They're the one that I collect all their records and CDs.

Okay. So So you're a true fan. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

I still haven't seen them in person now, so I guess I'm not a 100 as of yet. They don't travel over here very much. Yeah. A band, that I really like that I got to see in San Francisco was Camera Obscure. I haven't heard of them.

They're kind of a similar vibe. Okay. Very ethereal. Yeah. So I like them.

Okay. Well, I think we covered a lot of good stuff. I was gonna go back to advice for upstart sign painters. Okay. Go for it.

If you get advice from a veteran sign painter, take it. You know, respect them. And it it always works. Don't, like, ask for advice and then not take it. Unless they're really sarcastic.

Yeah. Unless they're really sarcastic. Because, years ago, I came across a couple of guys that would intentionally give people wrong advice to try and mess them up or discourage them. So you gotta you gotta decipher their intent. Yeah.

That's true. I don't think there's many of those guys left anymore, though. Yeah. They're they're thin and out. That's for sure.

So who are the who are some of the people that have, influenced and affected your sign painting pursuits? Do you have any heroes that you've come across? Well, when I when I met Ken Davis, he he became a a good friend and a, you know, definitely somebody that I look up to as far as taking the trade seriously and taking the, the technique seriously. Mhmm. And he introduced me to a lot of just amazing veterans and, classic sign painters and and guilders.

So he he introduced me to Larry White, and he was definitely one that I look up to you know he's he's taken the trade beyond. Yeah he's he's for people that don't know he's like a living gold leaf icon legend guy. Yeah. So him and then all of the the whole crew of guys that they they get together, like John Studd in and All that dead man meat or whatever. What what do they call that group?

Conclaves. Yeah. The dead man group. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I guess it's not a group, but yeah. I know. I'm sorry. The Smithman. Pat Smith, Pat Mackel.

I know all these all these crossed paths with Mike Meyer? I have. Yeah. He he's one of those people that, like, I I think especially when I jumped back into opening the studio and and and stuff, that's one of the people that just, like, I don't know, really motivated and inspired me to really go for it. He's kinda got that charisma, you know, that really gets you excited about it, makes you feel like you can do it.

Lots of enthusiasm and also lots of encouragement. Yeah. Yeah. And he looks like Teddy Ritt Teddy Roosevelt. Yes.

He does. Okay. Well, anything else you wanna cover? I don't know. Fair enough.

I mean, thank you for for asking me to do this, and also thank you for participating in all the little art show things that we've invited you to. And No. I appreciate it. Thanks to anyone else who's done that. Yeah.

It's fun. We try to put them together. I'm still trying to get Icycap show pieces back and different art pieces back to people so if you hear this and you don't have your piece back let me know yeah that's a lot to orchestrate I'm sure Thanks for anyone who supported me in any way. I mean, buying a sign or buying my little booklets I make. Those are awesome, by the way.

You know? Thanks. Keep making that stuff. I collect I've got a whole bookshelf back here that's just old antique sign books and anything sign painter related that I've collected for years and I love that stuff. And you know that's that's part of the reason I started making them is because I realized really soon as soon as they started filming that sign painting documentary, all the sign books price went up.

Oh, yeah. And so I I figured, you know, if I was starting out and I live somewhere where there wasn't another sign painter that was still painting, I would want something. And if I couldn't afford, you know, an EC Matthews original book for $200, I I would want a snippet of it that would help me get along or be inspired, you know? Right. Yeah.

No. Absolutely. It's, I get it, and I've contributed to the problem because, you know, I've been one of those people for years who's gone on eBay just scouring for stuff that I could add to my little collection or whatever, and I know there's others doing it. It rises, makes the price go up, but, you know, it's, I have noticed too, like, the one EC Matthews book, because it was in public domain, got reproduced in the paperback that was, like, $15. So I mean, you can still, but it's not as cool as having the original stuff.

I've got an original Atkinson that's not in great shape. I should probably have it rebound, but, you know, it it's really cool because, some of the pages have doodles in it from the forties because it the person dated it, and it's these little, you know, sketching out ideas for signs on the back of some of the pictures. And then the other ones are just you know, they're on their coffee break, and they're just like little cartoon pictures of guys walking around doing things. And, you know, it's just really cool that you're, you know, able to have that part of the history of it. That's the best.

So do you have any upcoming, zines or anything related to sign painting that you'll be publishing and putting out there? I'm working on a a body of work for the, a little show called Spicy Caps. So it's the antithesis of Icey Caps. It's gonna be all flames and hot stuff and Mexican food style lettering, you know? Okay.

So I'm gonna put together a little book with that. Very cool. So that'll be fun. Yeah. And then other other than that, I'm, I'm still kind of debating what what I would put together for an ex book.

I've got a lot of I've got a whole bunch of the Lonnie to Teton books, and he had sold me those before he passed away. And so I'm just kinda Now that's the stuff like how to paint banners and how to like that. I've I ordered several of those from you. Yeah. Is that stuff you're talking about?

Yep. Yeah. Those are really cool too. Yes. From the eighties or the nineties?

Yeah. Those were published. All of them were published between the early eighties and, mid nineties. Okay. And he had just had a whole back stock of them and had been selling them by himself with no email or website or anything, just by phone in his car.

Write him a letter and send me a check. That's kind of cool. Yeah. If anybody has a suggestion of a book, let me know. Because I've definitely pulled together a lot of resources and I like to you know put stuff together but I I featured the the basic hand lettering styles we just did a book with Derek McDonald I saw that I haven't ordered that one yet but I saw that one Well, I have to send you one out.

That one's really fun. It's just speed lettering for, you know, paper banners and stuff that you do on a show card. Yeah. And that's a guy I wanted, I need to track down for an interview too. He he's one of the guys that we invited down for our letterhead meet when they were filming the sign painter movie, and, unfortunately, he wasn't you know, he didn't get into the final footage of the movie, which I felt bad for him because, you know, he's he's really dug in his heels from the beginning.

Oh, yeah. No. He's he was one of the people I met early on that Okay. Really inspired me. He came out Salt Lake, had to do it.

He was doing he was going out to the the wall dog meet, and so he stopped in Salt Lake, and I spent the day with him, helped him paint a sign, and met him and Tina, and they're a really solid couple, really good people. Yeah. We we we really enjoyed having him down. I haven't stayed in very good touch with him since, but what I liked was his tenacity of just doing everything by hand. And no matter how much of a struggle it was, he just kept going, which It's paid off.

That's for sure. Yeah. I I I don't I don't I don't think there's that many people coming into it that have that level of commitment. And I think that's what's always been inspiring about him. Andy's a southpaw.

Yeah. Which, you know, there's hope for all you left handed sign painters out there. Oh, John Lennox is a lefty too. Yep. Yeah.

But I it it's interesting. I mean, I I I would never have thought about it, but because of the drying of the paint, they have to approach things differently than right handed guys. Yeah. It's not too much different if you use a malt stick. Are you a lefty too?

No. I'm a right handed. Are you? It's fun. If you ever if you ever want a challenge, just try painting left handed though, and it takes you right back to the basics.

Okay. It's good. I did that. I just took a screenshot. My my, I I I was totally clueless for, like, multiple episodes.

I'm like, what what should I post for people's pictures to announce a new episode? And then Meredith was like, oh, wait. Let me take a screenshot. I'm like, oh, boy. I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty stupid because I hadn't thought of that.

So there you go. I hope I hope I look okay. Well, you're not you're not gonna you're oh, that's true. I guess that would be I I usually I don't publish the video aspect of it, but I guess if I post that picture, I don't have to. You could just say, hey.

That that picture's terrible. I'll send you one. That's fine too. No. I'm really not worried about it.

You're not that vain? So what do you got going on this week? What are you gonna do paint wise? Anything on the hopper? Let's see.

I gotta ship out a sign I just painted that goes to Jackson Hole, and then I gotta pick colors for a 40 foot mural I'm doing in Manhattan next week. 40 foot mural? 40 foot by 11 foot mural. In Manhattan, New York? In Manhattan, New York.

Wow. And then we might guild a full restaurant front window this week, me and Mitch. So busy week. Yeah. Absolutely.

When do you fly out to New York? Sunday night. Are you working with them Sky High guys? No. But I'm gonna I'm probably gonna talk to them while I'm out there.

Those guys are hardcore, man. Oh, yeah. I watch these videos and photos of stuff they're doing, and I'm like, insanity. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. You know, it the painting isn't what gets me.

It's setting up those swing stages and then thinking, they set those up in the snow. They set those up all you're talking about. It's like And that's just totally crazy. Snowing. Yeah.

I I I was impressed with that, did you see that bullet whiskey mural they just finished? Yeah. Yeah. I was really impressed with that. That looked like a real bottle.

Oh, yeah. You know? And they the fact they're painting it on, you know, 100 year old brick. With with probably 80 coats of paint already on it. Yeah.

That's true. It's probably pretty smooth, but still, it's a bumpy surface, and they're painting it huge. Yeah. Just I it's totally different, different realm than I can even wrap my mind around. So your kid's got a spoon.

He's looking like he's gonna use it as a weapon. It has been. Okay. Well, I appreciate you coming on, and I think people enjoy hearing your story. You you can label it the decaf episode since I'm I'm a Mormon and I don't drink coffee.

We've got our own. Fair enough. Okay. Alright. Well, if, if you have other stuff coming up, you know, shoot me an email or whatever, and I'll try to include it in future episodes, like if you have shows that you're trying to pitch or whatever.

Cool. I'll try to help get the word out. Will do. Just Will do. Is that is that your wife's voice I hear?

Oh, yeah. My my wife is suggesting that you ask the most embarrassing moment in sign painting for interviews hey that's a good question so let's start with you you're the inaugural one what's your most embarrassing for it? For whatever reason I was holding a quart of metallic gold paint and I was lettering on this wall me and my wife were painting this this big fourteen foot sixteen foot leg I'm the standard partner okay you're you're the fill in when things get desperate yeah yeah my wife does this before we had this okay she came and did the whole wall job with me but I'm sitting there and I I just had to letter a little bit in this metallic gold. And I look up, and then all of a sudden I looked down and I had dumped about most of the quart of metallic gold all over the front of me. And it it went all the way down my shirt, my pants, my shoes, and then it was going through the boom lift floor onto the parking lot below.

Damn, bro. Oh my gosh. And I was I was just You looked like Steve Threepio. Yeah. I did.

Are are like those guys in, in San Francisco that cover themselves in silver and stuff. Yeah. You could use my And my skin my skin turned metallic gold for A good, like, three days. A good, like, three days. Did it burn your skin, the chemicals in it?

No. It wasn't it wasn't too bad. I don't think the metallic sign paints are as bad as the regular pigmented ones. So how did you handle that? Like, did the client see you or anything?

No. And thankfully, the the parking lot was about a 100 years old and it was all just gravelly and we just kind of turned over some rocks and it was fine. But I had to oh man my clothes smelled for they probably still smell I had to throw some of them away. Or another time when he was teaching sign painting at a college and he I had to do a sign painting course and we were just using tempera paints and I was shaking up a cord of yellow. For this girl who asked for yellow.

And it was rich art, you know, the rich art Yeah. Yeah. Canisters. And it it's like the plastic one, and the plastic lid just popped off. And she was standing behind me, and she got exploded.

And she was wearing all black, and she was just all yellow. You need to stay away from yellow toned paints, apparently. It's just I'm bad luck with yellow. Wow. Okay.

I like that. I I appreciate the, the additional question. That'll be a good one to ask. I think people do have embarrassing stories. Yep.

I, got, I'll probably read one of them at the end of this episode. I've got these little, Bob Dewhurst in San Francisco sent me this little package, and he wrote down these, like, embarrassing stories of, things that happened to him. So I'll probably read one of those. Yeah. He probably told you about spilling paint all over a whole car below him or something.

Yeah. That was a good one I heard from him. Yeah. And him, the the one that really cracked me up is he goes to meet this guy on-site, and there's this huge neon sign they're working on. And and he drops his ladder, and it basically destroys all the neon.

Woah. Yeah. So read that one and and after we're done talking and put that in there because it's it's pretty funny. Wow. Oh, man.

That's terrible. Alright. Well, thanks, Colt, and thanks to your your wife and son for participating. Yeah. Okay.

She just waved. So okay. Alright. Well, that's it. Goodbye.

Alright, Sean. Take care. Okay. Thanks a lot. Okay.

Thanks to Colt and his family for participating and helping us with that episode. And at the end of our conversation, I mentioned these letters that I got from Bob Dewhurst. And he didn't ask me to read these on the show, but he didn't didn't ask me not to. And it's my show. So I'm just gonna do it.

There, it's pretty quick. But it's really funny, especially if you know, Bob, you'll appreciate the humor in it. But, he's got this thing that he sent me. They're called tales of the old wall dogs. And so here here's the brief experience experience.

He says I couldn't park, so I guess I was a bit late. Mike had already set up and was scraping meticulously around the neon tubes of a vintage can for an historic bar in San Francisco, Twin Peaks on Castro Market. Wanting to surprise him, I sprung open my 10 foot stepladder and locked it. Then I got a running start and ran up the sidewall, lept up the ladder, and slid up, scraping the sidewalk in a shower of sparks for an amazing on the job appearance. The thing was, I didn't gauge it right.

So the job started at 7AM with me crashing into the sign and splintering all the neon tubes. Now Mike turned white and I stood back 20 feet while he went into his routine. What the bleep are you doing? He was foaming at the mouth. He picked up a five foot straight edge and began swinging it like a bat into the ladders in the brick wall.

No. No. No. He explained. Needless to say, it wasn't one of my better days.

So there you go. Thanks, Bob Dewhurst, for sending that. I've got a few others. Probably include them in future episodes. But here we are at the end of another episode.

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